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Post by Miculo on Mar 24, 2014 22:18:42 GMT
Sad to hear of a dead pet. It's family. Luckily Rocky isn't my family, as far as I know. Still, sympathetic about his dog, I know how much that hurts. Not the dog obviously. he was probably as happy as a pig in shit or a dog in something. Off the top of my head I don't know what the doggy would value in the way pigs value shit, allegedly. I wonder if pigs really do like being in shit, especially, given that they are caged up, it's pretty much their own shit?
Anyway God? must be a cruel a bastard. He gives us dogs who are brilliant and then only gives them 12 or so years to live thus assuring that we are devastated at regular intervals by the loss of our best friends. Generally we have two dogs so that averages to 6 years between bouts of heartbreaking grief. Fuck God and thank goodness we only usually have two dogs at a time.
In my life time I have lost only two parents and at least 8 dogs. I have had to take the decision to put some of the dogs down. Nobody helped me get rid of my mother, she lasted a very long time, she was a hate filled old bag. I would have swapped her for any of the dogs. Twice over.
I should post that on Facts. They would love to pick it to bits.
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Post by 747 on Mar 24, 2014 22:54:15 GMT
I know exactly what you mean Alan.
We have had a number of dogs and 2 in particular I was extremely fond of. One was a little mongrel bitch who had been abandoned on the street with a bellyful of pups. We took her in and found good homes for the pups. The other was also a rescue (but not by us). She was a Pointer bitch who had an awful life until she was rescued by a Pointer breeder and we took her. She was so close to me that I even took her to work with me on night shift (the bugger would not get out of the car, so I had no choice).
Both died while I was working abroad, so I did not have the pain that comes with it. My problem now is that of the 5 dogs we have, it will be very painful when 4 of them have to be put to sleep but absolutely soul destroying when Jess the Whippet goes. I absolutely love that girl to bits and am dreading the day.
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Post by fatwelshbuddha on Mar 25, 2014 10:02:46 GMT
I know exactly what you mean Alan.
We have had a number of dogs and 2 in particular I was extremely fond of. One was a little mongrel bitch who had been abandoned on the street with a bellyful of pups. We took her in and found good homes for the pups. The other was also a rescue (but not by us). She was a Pointer bitch who had an awful life until she was rescued by a Pointer breeder and we took her. She was so close to me that I even took her to work with me on night shift (the bugger would not get out of the car, so I had no choice).
Both died while I was working abroad, so I did not have the pain that comes with it. My problem now is that of the 5 dogs we have, it will be very painful when 4 of them have to be put to sleep but absolutely soul destroying when Jess the Whippet goes. I absolutely love that girl to bits and am dreading the day. we had a rescue German Wire-Haired Pointer - she'd been found wandering around a local forest and was in a right state (emaciated, covered in fleas, start of mange etc). this was in 1988 when the GWP was pretty unusual dog in the UK and despite talking to some local breeders in the SE (was only 2) and the breedmaster, we never tracked her origins down. but she was with us until 1999 when sadly we had to have her put down. that broke my heart and we've not had a dog since as I'm not sure I want to through that heartbreak again. 15 years on I still carry her choke chain with me in my pocket. when I get it out to fiddle with (it's become a bit like a worry bead!) some people step back thinking I'm going to whack them with it!
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Post by Miculo on Mar 25, 2014 10:14:38 GMT
This eejit was my mate for 12 years. He was a stray from the local dog pound. He was amazingly obedient and affectionate. As you can see from the look on his face he was always ready for any kind of adventure. I never saw him angry, unfriendly or unhappy. He died playing his favourite game, retrieving a ball from the sea.
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Post by alhod on Mar 26, 2014 5:38:43 GMT
We have been married over 40 yrs and have always had dogs, for many years 3 or 4 together. Each one iwas special and unique, with its own distinct character.My own favorite was a boxer who lived 12 years and made us laugh every day of 'em. Would gladly swap many of our 'family' for any of the dogs, especially my brother in law, the biggest barsteward who ever walked the earth!
Alan
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Post by tugboat on Mar 26, 2014 7:35:28 GMT
especially my brother in law, the biggest barsteward who ever walked the earth! Do I detect a faint frisson of family disharmony? Glad I'm not the only one to dislike a family member!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 9:31:50 GMT
In my life time I have lost only two parents and at least 8 dogs. I have had to take the decision to put some of the dogs down. Nobody helped me get rid of my mother, she lasted a very long time, she was a hate filled old bag. I would have swapped her for any of the dogs. Twice over. I can empathise with what you say there, Alan. Apropos family relations, one of the most insightful comments I've encountered is the following quote: " ... in our own lives the sacrifice of our true self to religion, country, and family is often deemed heroic. Accommodation to the true self is usually characterised as selfish and arrogant.
This particular theme of how we value ourselves within the family structure is extremely powerful. Even families that are on the higher end of the emotionally responsive food chain tend to view individual members, to some degree, as supporting players. Therefore, the primary function of the individual is to help hold the family illusion in balance. Whether a person is the star of the family, the rebel, the caretaker, or the scapegoat, there is often an unspoken yet very strongly held belief that if anyone steps out of his or her role into his or her own true identity, the family will collapse. Of course, what is really threatened is the collapse of the illusion, but that is precisely why any attempts at authenticity in a family may be met with hostility, both overt and covert." And, 'No', it's not from a psychology textbook, but from a book on screenwriting (INSIDE STORY: THE POWER OF THE TRANSFORMATIONAL ARC, by Dara Marks). It bears pondering on.
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Post by Miculo on Mar 26, 2014 10:00:39 GMT
It may be right Liam, but it's way too deep for me. Perhaps that's because I see everyone firstly as an individual, regardless of which group/s they also belong to. Therefore I don't feel obliged to make special allowances for family members and I don't expect them to make allowances for me. If anything, I think, it's harder to give family members an even break, probably because we know them so well and feel we can predict exactly how they will react in any situation.
Have I misunderstood? Alan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 10:29:56 GMT
Like you, I also see people primarily as individuals, but not everyone shares our attitudes, and society as a whole tends to deal in archetypes, as any elementary text on ethnology, sociology or psychology will tell you. A less academic example of the imposition of archetypes (and therefore more accessible) is 'The Jeremy Vile Show' on ITV daily.
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Post by Barry B'stard on Mar 26, 2014 10:45:03 GMT
Fuck me! Are you lot on drugs? Again?
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Post by Miculo on Mar 26, 2014 10:53:57 GMT
Yes. Luckily (I think) I avoid stuff like that like the plague. Soaps, reality TV, so called. The Daily Mail and it's ilk. Populist politicians, scare mongers, propagandists, spinners, most of what The Police and the security services tell us etc. I prefer to decide for myself. I do however regard all of the above as fodder for The Mob. This must make me just as prejudiced as The Mob I so disapprove of but a good deal less influential, don't you think?
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Post by Miculo on Mar 26, 2014 10:54:39 GMT
Fuck me! Are you lot on drugs? Again? No. The two circle method frightened me off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 11:11:55 GMT
Yes. Luckily (I think) I avoid stuff like that like the plague. Soaps, reality TV, so called. The Daily Mail and it's ilk. Populist politicians, scare mongers, propagandists, spinners, most of what The Police and the security services tell us etc. I prefer to decide for myself. I do however regard all of the above as fodder for The Mob. This must make me just as prejudiced as The Mob I so disapprove of but a good deal less influential, don't you think? I'm surprised that you can say that yet apparently fail to grasp the point of what Dara Marks says.
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Post by Miculo on Mar 26, 2014 11:19:38 GMT
I didn't think I had failed to grasp it Liam. I just didn't recognise it. I am guessing that Dara is an American? To be honest there seemed to be something of Waltonesque in the quote.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 11:31:07 GMT
What do you mean by that?
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