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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Nov 30, 2021 11:57:00 GMT
What Powell was warning, was that IF we continue with a policy of virtually unrestricted immigration, our culture will be swamped, the 'ordinary people' will take things into their own hands and there will be rioting in the streets, from disaffected indigenous British and marginalised isolated immigrants.
A warning, that's all.
Would it be "racist" to stop 5 million French coming here to live? It's all about not swamping our society with antagonistic, unskilled, maybe extreme religious immigrants who are not coming here to bring "skills" that we need, but to leech an easier life than they have in their own country.
What population figure would you say "enough is enough"? In my lifetime, the UK population has increased by over 25%! What will it have to be before YOU say "enough"?
I balance this with saying that we NEED immigration - controlled, of the best and brightest, from around the world. But NOT huge swathes of 'peoples' who come into this country just because 'THEY' want to. We will be blessed by the skilled and intelligent, well-educated Hong Kong Chinese... not rice-growing farmers who can't string two words of English together. D'you not see the difference?
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Post by Barry B'stard on Nov 30, 2021 12:30:45 GMT
What Powell was warning, was that IF we continue with a policy of virtually unrestricted immigration, our culture will be swamped, the 'ordinary people' will take things into their own hands and there will be rioting in the streets, from disaffected indigenous British and marginalised isolated immigrants. A warning, that's all. Would it be "racist" to stop 5 million French coming here to live? It's all about not swamping our society with antagonistic, unskilled, maybe extreme religious immigrants who are not coming here to bring "skills" that we need, but to leech an easier life than they have in their own country. What population figure would you say "enough is enough"? In my lifetime, the UK population has increased by over 25%! What will it have to be before YOU say "enough"? I balance this with saying that we NEED immigration - controlled, of the best and brightest, from around the world. But NOT huge swathes of 'peoples' who come into this country just because 'THEY' want to. We will be blessed by the skilled and intelligent, well-educated Hong Kong Chinese... not rice-growing farmers who can't string two words of English together. D'you not see the difference? You should get a Job writing for the Mail or Express as it sounds like that came straight out of one of their articles to whip up the terminally angry. We invited people here to work in our NHS, become engineers, drive buses etc and they came in their droves and then thanks to people like him we just insulted them or worse hunted them down, beat them up or killed them. His words inspired the national front and the usual racist low lifes to rise up and make these peoples lives hell. Worra Cunt! He was wrong with his figures though of how many immigrants we would end up with although his focus was on those with different skin colour to ours not Europeans which is kind of ironic as his successor Farage has only succeeded in driving same culture Europeans away whilst none EU immigration to the UK is at the highest since records began. We dont have swathes of people coming here because they want to, immigrants come here to work and statistics will show you that they add more to our economy on average than Brits do. Your Tory masters dont really give a fuck about immigration though, its just posturing and right wing populism at work to gander your votes. They do fuck all about it, look at our black economy?
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Post by 747 on Nov 30, 2021 12:36:31 GMT
I will have to leave it there Barry. I have never been good at explaining things to children and the mentally disturbed.
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Post by Barry B'stard on Nov 30, 2021 12:54:24 GMT
I will have to leave it there Barry. I have never been good at explaining things due to being mentally disturbed. Fixed.
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Nov 30, 2021 13:15:01 GMT
What Powell was warning, was that IF we continue with a policy of virtually unrestricted immigration, our culture will be swamped, the 'ordinary people' will take things into their own hands and there will be rioting in the streets, from disaffected indigenous British and marginalised isolated immigrants. A warning, that's all. Would it be "racist" to stop 5 million French coming here to live? It's all about not swamping our society with antagonistic, unskilled, maybe extreme religious immigrants who are not coming here to bring "skills" that we need, but to leech an easier life than they have in their own country. What population figure would you say "enough is enough"? In my lifetime, the UK population has increased by over 25%! What will it have to be before YOU say "enough"? I balance this with saying that we NEED immigration - controlled, of the best and brightest, from around the world. But NOT huge swathes of 'peoples' who come into this country just because 'THEY' want to. We will be blessed by the skilled and intelligent, well-educated Hong Kong Chinese... not rice-growing farmers who can't string two words of English together. D'you not see the difference? You should get a Job writing for the Mail or Express as it sounds like that came straight out of one of their articles to whip up the terminally angry. We invited people here to work in our NHS, become engineers, drive buses etc and they came in their droves and then thanks to people like him we just insulted them or worse hunted them down, beat them up or killed them. His words inspired the national front and the usual racist low lifes to rise up and make these peoples lives hell. Worra Cunt! He was wrong with his figures though of how many immigrants we would end up with although his focus was on those with different skin colour to ours not Europeans which is kind of ironic as his successor Farage has only succeeded in driving same culture Europeans away whilst none EU immigration to the UK is at the highest since records began. We dont have swathes of people coming here because they want to, immigrants come here to work and statistics will show you that they add more to our economy on average than Brits do. Your Tory masters dont really give a fuck about immigration though, its just posturing and right wing populism at work to gander your votes. They do fuck all about it, look at our black economy? You are SO wrong... wronger than a wrong thing that is very, very wrong... This is the narrative that Powell's political enemies put out in order to destroy him, but how wrong they were. And YOU swallowed it... Here is an excerpt from his Wikipedia entry... "In it (the "rivers of blood" speech) , Powell criticised the RATES of immigration into the UK, especially from the New Commonwealth, and opposed the anti-discrimination legislation Race Relations Bill." (My emphasis). So... none of what you allege at all. Another interesting quote from Wikipedia... "In the aftermath of the speech, several polls suggested that 67 to 82 per cent of the UK population agreed with Powell's opinions. His supporters claimed that the large public following that Powell attracted helped the Conservatives to win the 1970 general election, and perhaps cost them the February 1974 general election, when Powell turned his back on the Conservatives by endorsing a vote for Labour, which returned as a minority government."So... as I said, he was NOT "racist" but merely warning against an unsustainable RATE of immigration. But, you bought into that false, anti-Powell narrative, so I suppose nothing I say will alter your views, despite the evidence. "Enoch Powell - Wikipedia" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Powell
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Post by Dead Monger on Nov 30, 2021 14:16:14 GMT
You should get a Job writing for the Mail or Express as it sounds like that came straight out of one of their articles to whip up the terminally angry. We invited people here to work in our NHS, become engineers, drive buses etc and they came in their droves and then thanks to people like him we just insulted them or worse hunted them down, beat them up or killed them. His words inspired the national front and the usual racist low lifes to rise up and make these peoples lives hell. Worra Cunt! He was wrong with his figures though of how many immigrants we would end up with although his focus was on those with different skin colour to ours not Europeans which is kind of ironic as his successor Farage has only succeeded in driving same culture Europeans away whilst none EU immigration to the UK is at the highest since records began. We dont have swathes of people coming here because they want to, immigrants come here to work and statistics will show you that they add more to our economy on average than Brits do. Your Tory masters dont really give a fuck about immigration though, its just posturing and right wing populism at work to gander your votes. They do fuck all about it, look at our black economy? You are SO wrong... wronger than a wrong thing that is very, very wrong... This is the narrative that Powell's political enemies put out in order to destroy him, but how wrong they were. And YOU swallowed it... Here is an excerpt from his Wikipedia entry... "In it (the "rivers of blood" speech) , Powell criticised the RATES of immigration into the UK, especially from the New Commonwealth, and opposed the anti-discrimination legislation Race Relations Bill." (My emphasis). So... none of what you allege at all. Another interesting quote from Wikipedia... "In the aftermath of the speech, several polls suggested that 67 to 82 per cent of the UK population agreed with Powell's opinions. His supporters claimed that the large public following that Powell attracted helped the Conservatives to win the 1970 general election, and perhaps cost them the February 1974 general election, when Powell turned his back on the Conservatives by endorsing a vote for Labour, which returned as a minority government."So... as I said, he was NOT "racist" but merely warning against an unsustainable RATE of immigration. But, you bought into that false, anti-Powell narrative, so I suppose nothing I say will alter your views, despite the evidence. "Enoch Powell - Wikipedia" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_PowellHe wasn't racist and if he was so what??? ... We seem to fixated with who is racist ... Remember to Barry anyone who voted Brexit is racist ... Anyone who questions immigration is racist ... Anyone who questions the ills of Islam is racist and anyone who questions the gun and knife slaughter in Sadiqs London is racist ... He and those like him have watered down the word racist to basically just meaning anyone who questions anyone of colour is a racist, end of
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Post by Dead Monger on Nov 30, 2021 14:16:41 GMT
I will have to leave it there Barry. I have never been good at explaining things to children and the mentally disturbed. I love you xx
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Post by Dead Monger on Nov 30, 2021 14:33:40 GMT
"all we have done is shit on them" ... Who exactly is the "we", your not saying some as "we" means everyone??? ... Now that's vile for two reasons, personally I have never shit on any black person, totally the opposite actually and the blacks I know would never allow you to say they had been shit on either as they have prospered here and they would laugh you out of the room for screaming they have been shit on ... One black lass I know works at Huddersfield CID ... Another black guy I know made a fortune from selling mobiles, another has a garage selling cars ... Just how have they been shit on??? ... They don't want you shouting and throwing the victim card for them, totally the opposite So you think the Windrush generation and those that have gone through hell have not been shit on? Many died before they got compensation, many were deported and its still going on today. If thats not a definition of successive governments shitting on them I dont know what is. The Windrush Scandal accounts for a very, very small number of folk out of over a quarter of a million that came from The Caribbean ... Yes some who came on Windrush have experienced difficulties but so have others who have come from other countries, are you saying its purely because the Windrush lot are black??? ... I pay for my grandkids to do karate, I pay a brilliant Albanian lad to teach them and I paid him unlike many others at the club all the way through lockdown even though the kids couldn't go, his wife another Albanian has had a real "shit" time with being allowed to stay here and I gladly signed the petition to help her stay, she's white and she was put through "shit",did that "shit" happen just because she's white???
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Post by Barry B'stard on Nov 30, 2021 15:00:47 GMT
What a load of utter bollocks. All of it! Enoch was not a racist because you found summat on Wiki and apparently I accuse everyone of being a racist who supported Brexit now or anyone who questions Islam or immigration. Utter shite. Here's an interesting piece on Enoch but the writer sounds a bit funny foreigner to me so it will probably be dismissed. www.bl.uk/20th-century-literature/articles/knock-knock-its-enoch-hanif-kureishi-remembers-the-effect-of-enoch-powellI never knew Eric Clapton was a screaming racist though. I guess there was a lot of it about then though eh? In the 70s. Sounds like it from that Wiki quote from Boggers. Still, with a bit of help from the likes of Brexit, Farage and our openly racist Populist PM the good old days are well and truly restored. Great news unless you are black, French, Polish, Asian etc etc.
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Post by 747 on Nov 30, 2021 15:52:06 GMT
You should read your own links before posting them. The author mentions (but does not villify) Richard Crossman. A Zionist, drunk and homosexual who was an extreme Left Labour Politician. There are other very serious doubts about him, particularly linked to Zionism.
Powell warned ...... Crossman wanted to do. ie create a Jewish State much bigger than todays, at the expense of the Arab population.
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Post by BJ on Nov 30, 2021 16:58:28 GMT
You should read your own links before posting them. The author mentions (but does not villify) Richard Crossman. A Zionist, drunk and homosexual who was an extreme Left Labour Politician. There are other very serious doubts about him, particularly linked to Zionism.
Powell warned ...... Crossman wanted to do. ie create a Jewish State much bigger than todays, at the expense of the Arab population.
Don't waste your time explaining to Bazza, he is a bit fixed in his ways as you would expect with yokels,. It appears that he regrets starting FC as he expected the users would be mailable to his own views but the opposite happened. He is trying to piss you all of so he can shut it down, seen it so many times in industry, run it down then close it.
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Post by Dead Monger on Nov 30, 2021 17:02:37 GMT
What a load of utter bollocks. All of it! Enoch was not a racist because you found summat on Wiki and apparently I accuse everyone of being a racist who supported Brexit now or anyone who questions Islam or immigration. Utter shite. Here's an interesting piece on Enoch but the writer sounds a bit funny foreigner to me so it will probably be dismissed. www.bl.uk/20th-century-literature/articles/knock-knock-its-enoch-hanif-kureishi-remembers-the-effect-of-enoch-powellI never knew Eric Clapton was a screaming racist though. I guess there was a lot of it about then though eh? In the 70s. Sounds like it from that Wiki quote from Boggers. Still, with a bit of help from the likes of Brexit, Farage and our openly racist Populist PM the good old days are well and truly restored. Great news unless you are black, French, Polish, Asian etc etc. You keep fighting the good fight for all those "black, French, Polish, Asian, etc etc" types that supposedly need your pity from your whites only village mate and if your not in your whites only village I guess you'll be in your whites only motor home holiday destinations ... Those poor hard done to types appreciate your work
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Post by Barry B'stard on Nov 30, 2021 17:15:28 GMT
You should read your own links before posting them. The author mentions (but does not villify) Richard Crossman. A Zionist, drunk and homosexual who was an extreme Left Labour Politician. There are other very serious doubts about him, particularly linked to Zionism. Powell warned ...... Crossman wanted to do. ie create a Jewish State much bigger than todays, at the expense of the Arab population.
So what? I did read it. So its untrue then? Powell did not stir up racial hatred and put people in fear of their lives in the same way the likes of Farage, Trump and other similar hate figures have done in more recent times? WTF has your guff got to do with that?
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Post by Barry B'stard on Nov 30, 2021 17:23:42 GMT
You should read your own links before posting them. The author mentions (but does not villify) Richard Crossman. A Zionist, drunk and homosexual who was an extreme Left Labour Politician. There are other very serious doubts about him, particularly linked to Zionism. Powell warned ...... Crossman wanted to do. ie create a Jewish State much bigger than todays, at the expense of the Arab population.
Don't waste your time explaining to Bazza, he is a bit fixed in his ways as you would expect with yokels,. It appears that he regrets starting FC as he expected the users would be mailable to his own views but the opposite happened. He is trying to piss you all of so he can shut it down, seen it so many times in industry, run it down then close it.
Is this a joke? A not very funny one. Actually if you remember there were a fair few who shared my views on here originally. They got pissed off with the pro Brexit mantra and left, I know that as they told me as much. Personally I dont give a shit because none of it annoys me or upsets me as its all bollocks but it seems the views of one person (me) do seem to upset quite few of you. I had no idea I Was that influential! As for your last bit I can only assume you are on the piss early as its the rantings of a mad or drunk person. If I wanted to abandon this forum I would either just fuck off and not post anymore or just shut it down and fuck off. Stupid boy(s).
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Post by BJ on Nov 30, 2021 18:14:28 GMT
Don't waste your time explaining to Bazza, he is a bit fixed in his ways as you would expect with yokels,. It appears that he regrets starting FC as he expected the users would be mailable to his own views but the opposite happened. He is trying to piss you all of so he can shut it down, seen it so many times in industry, run it down then close it.
Is this a joke? A not very funny one. Actually if you remember there were a fair few who shared my views on here originally. They got pissed off with the pro Brexit mantra and left, I know that as they told me as much. Personally I dont give a shit because none of it annoys me or upsets me as its all bollocks but it seems the views of one person (me) do seem to upset quite few of you. I had no idea I Was that influential! As for your last bit I can only assume you are on the piss early as its the rantings of a mad or drunk person. If I wanted to abandon this forum I would either just fuck off and not post anymore or just shut it down and fuck off. Stupid boy(s). Just you and Raynipper left in the minority now. You are not influential to the rest of us, just someone whom we can wind up! Yes I may have had a few bevvies, bottle of Ardmore that a friend gave me. Keep on taking the bait.
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