|
Post by tugboat on Mar 10, 2015 10:20:06 GMT
Following advice from revered members on another thread, I went out and perused the engine bay just now to see if I could spot the heater plugs lurking somewhere. It's a 2.8jtd btw.
I think they may be just visible down below the dipstick on the front of the engine. Does that sound right?
Trouble is, there are a couple of socking great hoses in the way which would need removing to get access, and instead of Jubilee type clips, they have some weird clip I haven't seen before, so it looks like I may be thwarted in my efforts before I even start. I guess I could rip them off and replace them with Jubilee clips, but don't want to bugger anything.
I'd post on the Fiat forum, but they already know how inept I am (as do you lot, though I'm nowhere near as incompetent as our boss!) and there is a degree of seriousness over there than is noticeably lacking on Fruitcakes. Ergo, I initially ask here before I go there. I shall go do a search there in the meantime.
The reason I'm doing this is because, even since I've had the van, it rarely starts on first turn of the key but starts immediately on second turn. Original supplier say nothing amiss, and another MH place blames the immobiliser (which I think can't be correct). It's an annoyance and embarassment, and I feel it should start first turn. I use the correct procedure, and would like to get it sorted.
Over to you, chaps. (My steel helmet is in place)
|
|
|
Post by nicholsong on Mar 10, 2015 11:25:38 GMT
I am clinging onto your coat-tails for replies on this one, but more out if hope than expectation, with this lot.
If you do not want too much exposure maybe a a pm to Listerdiesl (Peter) on Fucts might be more apt.
On my Merc OM 636(boat) they are high up on the block near the injectors, so maybe low-down is not correct, but what would I know?
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 11:41:21 GMT
I know it's a different vehicle, Tuggy, but on the old Merc T1s (both the 4 cylinder OM1 and the 5 cylinder OM2) there was a simple 'fuse box'just under the bonnet (with 4 or 5 connections in it depending on whether it was the 4 or 5 cylinder engine) where one could simply attach a meter and test the resistance of the glow-plugs, so there was no need to delve into the depths of the engine to test the glow-plugs directly. Are you sure there's no such simple means of testing the glow-plugs on a Sevel-built van? Maybe they can even be tested using one of those OB2 meter thingies that folk use to diagnose problems with - apparently cheap ones can be bought for around £20 on Fleabay.
Sorry I'm no real help, but hope you appreciate that I'm doing my best for you.
|
|
|
Post by Miculo on Mar 10, 2015 11:47:49 GMT
Tuggy, if it starts well enough second time without missing and kicking out smoke I would rule the glow plugs out, it's probably not worth testing them. No reason not to change the hose clips but be careful the old ones can be difficult to cut off without damaging the hoses.
|
|
|
Post by Paddy Fauntleroy on Mar 10, 2015 12:16:59 GMT
|
|
|
Post by nicholsong on Mar 10, 2015 13:05:24 GMT
There you are Tuggers - just get on with it! [Pity it had a music sound-track and no description of the tools, guages threads etc., and what the hell they were doing] N.B. It was not applicable to a 2.8jtd
|
|
|
Post by tugboat on Mar 10, 2015 14:18:02 GMT
Thanks, you guys. I don't care what everyone else says, I think you're alright! Yeah, that engine didn't look much like mine. My research, such as it is, left me confused as to whether the 2.8jtd does in fact have a set of glowplugs. Amazon advertise them as such, yet I have seen forum discussions mentioning a single plug that actually ignites a burst of diesel which is injected as part of the start process. Not sure I'm any the wiser now, except that vehicle engine bays are a plumbers nightmare designed to squeeze as much as possible into the space and prevent you reaching stuff without firstremoving a lot of other stuff!
|
|
|
Post by Miculo on Mar 10, 2015 14:53:17 GMT
Zassafac.
|
|
|
Post by 747 on Mar 10, 2015 15:16:52 GMT
A computer whiz like you should be able to download the technical data and part numbers for your engine Tuggy.
Go to the Fiat Forum and download to a CD/DVD on your lappy. It is in eper format, so you need to download an eper program. They are free (watch for addons you don't want). Liam will find you one as he has feck all better to do. I have a disc somewhere that I can post to you but I am not sure if it would work on a different lappy, best do it yourself.
I will see if I can find my disc and open it up. I might be a while as I am getting the van ready for a trip this week.
BTW, my Ducato started first time, every time. I think the older Fiats only had one plug in the Inlet manifold. My 2.8 jtd had a cover over the top of the engine so I never saw my glow plugs.
|
|
|
Post by tugboat on Mar 10, 2015 16:01:01 GMT
A computer whiz like you should be able to download the technical data and part numbers for your engine Tuggy.
Don't say things like that Jimbo, I nearly shit myself laughing! 'S OK you guys, no panic, please don't interupt what you're doing. I may try and find a proper commercial Fiat garage and get them to take a look at it. I wouldn't mess about with something myself, if I felt it was beyond my 'expertise' (and I use that word very loosely, you understand). Just thought if it was something I could test easily without dismantling, it was worth a punt. Thanks for the input. Virtual beers have been purchased. Enjoy!
|
|