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Post by Milly on Oct 8, 2019 16:36:08 GMT
I need advice urgently.
The engine has to be taken apart because something, they don´t know what for sure, but it may be the Crankshaft is broken.
Question is do I let them fix it or have it taken to a Fiat garage, They say it could cost 6-7 thousand € to fix.
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Post by GB584 on Oct 8, 2019 16:53:05 GMT
Bloody hell Jan that sounds like bad news. From my prospective I thing I would take it to a Fiat dealer if you are expecting to spend that amount. At least it will have the full Fiat warranty on it and a second opinion from their mechanics.
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Post by BJ on Oct 8, 2019 16:58:19 GMT
Difficult one Milly, without taking it apart they won't know what the problem is and if they take it apart they will not probably put it back together without a substantial charge. I would have thought a Fiat garage would charge more but they will have more experience to diagnose the problem which could be easy to rectify or expensive depending on what they find. Crankshaft's do not normally break as they are a substantially built item so would be a rare event, in these circumstances I would be inclined to use a registered Fiat garage so if it turns out to be a serious problem they will be the best ones to fix it but at a cost. At a price of 6 to 7k to fix I would have thought that a replacement engine would be cheaper
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Post by Barry B'stard on Oct 8, 2019 17:42:44 GMT
Bloody hell. This is bad news. I think at the very least I would want a second opinion. Its not even an old vehicle is it?
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 8, 2019 18:12:04 GMT
I'm suspicious. Crankshafts don't generally just 'break' without warning, at least not on commercial diesel engines that have been gently used in a motor home. It's not inconceivable, of course, so I would contact the German equivalent of the AA or RAC and book one of their engineers for an expert, written opinion. It'll cost a couple of hundred quid or so I guess, but money well spent, getting an expert independent opinion. You might have to join said AA/RAC-type organisation.
Based luck, Mildew, but all is not lost until you get a proper, independent, expert diagnosis.
Good luck.
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Post by Joe66 on Oct 8, 2019 18:16:54 GMT
Are you in ADAC Mildew, if so I would talk to them.
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Post by 747 on Oct 8, 2019 18:18:45 GMT
Given the overall value of the vehicle, there is no easy solution.
The options are:
1) Overhaul your engine. 2) Find another engine and fit it. 3) Buy a 'short engine'.
If it is the bottom end of the engine, any decent garage should be capable of repairing it.
Option 2 might be a problem as yours is a RHD and sometimes the Turbo is different (I know it was on the older 2.8 JTD Ducato engine)
A short engine is basically the engine block complete with new crankshaft, pistons and conrods.
Options 1 and 3 will be costly due to labour costs. Option 2 might be cheaper but you might end up with a high mileage engine from a crashed commercial van.
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Post by Milly on Oct 8, 2019 19:14:49 GMT
It was Adac who collected it And is adac garage. I have contacted Tyne valley where we bought it to find out about guarantee. They will call tomorrow because I was just too late to get the right office before knocking off time. 44,000 km only on the clock.
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Post by Joe66 on Oct 8, 2019 19:53:06 GMT
It was Adac who collected it And is adac garage. I have contacted Tyne valley where we bought it to find out about guarantee. They will call tomorrow because I was just too late to get the right office before knocking off time. 44,000 km only on the clock. Well all I can say is ADAC have a good reputation so I would trust their judgement but 44k is no mileage for a diesel engine.
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Post by Milly on Oct 9, 2019 9:27:17 GMT
I have spoken with Gordon my from home mechanic and he promised to ring them and ask the right questions. In the mean time Heike has told them to do nothing until we can sort out the next move. I have been told by the dealer Fiat engines only have 2 years guarantee
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Post by GB584 on Oct 9, 2019 9:45:02 GMT
A second opinion is well worth it in my humble opinion Jan. Be interesting to see if their diagnosis changes now that they know you are seeking professional advice.
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 9, 2019 10:02:19 GMT
A second opinion is well worth it in my humble opinion Jan. Be interesting to see if their diagnosis changes now that they know you are seeking professional advice. Yes, I agree entirely. You need to separate the person who is going to profit from "whatever" they "discover" is wrong, with the person who is employed by you to just give a professional opinion after a close examination, nothing more. As it stands you would be just opening your wallet and saying to the garage "Help yourself" .
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Post by Milly on Oct 9, 2019 10:06:58 GMT
Gordon can´t look at it Trig, he can only talk to them on the phone as he is 450km away from the garage.
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 9, 2019 10:58:40 GMT
Gordon can´t look at it Trig, he can only talk to them on the phone as he is 450km away from the garage. That's a shame. In view of the potentially astronomical costs involved, I still think that the alternative of engaging an engineer via a German motoring organisation, to do a full written report before any work begins, is the safest way forward for you. It'll cost a nominal amount, but at least you'll have some peace of mind that you're not being ripped off. Good luck Mildew.
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Post by Milly on Oct 9, 2019 11:04:56 GMT
Gordon can´t look at it Trig, he can only talk to them on the phone as he is 450km away from the garage. That's a shame. In view of the potentially astronomical costs involved, I still think that the alternative of engaging an engineer via a German motoring organisation, to do a full written report before any work begins, is the safest way forward for you. It'll cost a nominal amount, but at least you'll have some peace of mind that you're not being ripped off. Good luck Mildew. It is the ADAC garage, at least thats what it looks like. Hess GmbH & Co. KG Landecker. 4-6 36251 Bad Hersfeld The link I copied doesn't work.
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