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Post by prof20 on Oct 9, 2018 21:17:32 GMT
Compare and contrast....
Heroic French officer Arnaud Beltrame dies after switching himself for hostage in France supermarket
And with PC Guenigault....
'I wonder if the Commissionaire would be able to look PC Charlie Guenigault in the eye. PC Charlie Guenigault shared the evening's top award with PC Palmer after he ran towards three terrorists who attacked the public at London Bridge in June 2017.
PC Guenigault, who had been "relaxing" with friends after finishing a shift, fought off the terrorists with his bare hands who came at him with knives.
He was left in a critical condition after being stabbed repeatedly.
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Post by prof20 on Oct 9, 2018 21:26:05 GMT
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Post by Joe66 on Oct 9, 2018 21:54:20 GMT
I gave that a like and a lol Roger but I realize it is a serious subject.
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 9, 2018 22:06:23 GMT
And from a former officer...
'A number of years ago at the Wapping riots in the 1980s I was on a level 1 unit in full riot gear. I got hit by a piece of concrete thrown by a picket peacefully protesting and went down between the peaceful pockets and the front line of the police shields. I was unable to get up because my knee was stuffed so naturally As a stationary target I received a lot of unwanted attention. Two police constables in raincoats and beat duty helmets ran out from behind the shield line to drag me back. They had no ppe, I don't know who they were but they were better men and better police officers than Sir Craig could ever hope to be.'
I think that there will be a lot more of this, Roger, and I hope so too. A growing clamour for equal and fair treatment for all ranks, irrespective of how high it goes, is what is needed, to illustrate to the "high flyers" of the future that MORE is demanded of them as leaders of men - not less, as they seem to think.
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 9, 2018 22:18:45 GMT
I gave that a like and a lol Roger but I realize it is a serious subject. I gave it a like too, Joe, but just to keep you company!!
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Post by GB584 on Oct 10, 2018 8:46:05 GMT
And from a former officer...
'A number of years ago at the Wapping riots in the 1980s I was on a level 1 unit in full riot gear. I got hit by a piece of concrete thrown by a picket peacefully protesting and went down between the peaceful pockets and the front line of the police shields. I was unable to get up because my knee was stuffed so naturally As a stationary target I received a lot of unwanted attention. Two police constables in raincoats and beat duty helmets ran out from behind the shield line to drag me back. They had no ppe, I don't know who they were but they were better men and better police officers than Sir Craig could ever hope to be.'
I think that there will be a lot more of this, Roger, and I hope so too. A growing clamour for equal and fair treatment for all ranks, irrespective of how high it goes, is what is needed, to illustrate to the "high flyers" of the future that MORE is demanded of them as leaders of men - not less, as they seem to think. Good point Bogger's, the higher echelons will eventually be full of people who have entered the Job at senior management level without ever having done the job. This should be used as a example of what happens if you ignore the fact that it say's Police on your warrant card. There is little respect for someone who has been shoehorned into a high ranking role who has no experience and that respect is only for the uniform they wear and often not the wearer. I can remember parading in my uniform for the first time and the drill Sergeant telling (bawling at us) that the uniform is that colour for a reason ...it's a colour that doesn't run.
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 10, 2018 9:51:03 GMT
I think that there will be a lot more of this, Roger, and I hope so too. A growing clamour for equal and fair treatment for all ranks, irrespective of how high it goes, is what is needed, to illustrate to the "high flyers" of the future that MORE is demanded of them as leaders of men - not less, as they seem to think. Good point Bogger's, the higher echelons will eventually be full of people who have entered the Job at senior management level without ever having done the job. This should be used as a example of what happens if you ignore the fact that it say's Police on your warrant card. There is little respect for someone who has been shoehorned into a high ranking role who has no experience and that respect is only for the uniform they wear and often not the wearer. I can remember parading in my uniform for the first time and the drill Sergeant telling (bawling at us) that the uniform is that colour for a reason ...it's a colour that doesn't run. Spot on, Tel, as this ex-Ch Supt also points out regarding Mackey's rise in the ranks... tinyurl.com/y9969dve
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Post by Barry B'stard on Oct 10, 2018 11:48:36 GMT
Who were the other two in the car? I heard they were not coppers, never the less you would have thought if three people had ran at this fecker even unarmed they would have brought him down. There must have been something in the car that could have been used as a weapon. I dunno what I would have done as a "Civvy" but I would like to think if there was three of us at least we would have had a go.
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Post by raynipper on Oct 10, 2018 11:49:46 GMT
Drove at him.!!
Ray.
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 10, 2018 12:03:31 GMT
I think one would have been his civvy driver and the other a civvy secretary/aide. The were civvies, anyway.
But that's got fuck all to do with it. He could have got out of the car, leaving instructions to lock themselves in when he'd gone. Then played ring-around-the-car with the knifeman, distracting him, whatever. He's the fuckin' LEADER of the Police, FFS.
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Post by Joe66 on Oct 10, 2018 16:57:12 GMT
Two articles in the Daily Mail about him, there is a growing clamor to get him sacked.
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Post by GB584 on Oct 10, 2018 19:11:23 GMT
Be interesting to see how thick skinned he is, I'm guessing thick enough to stop a knife attack perhaps?
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 10, 2018 20:29:18 GMT
Now unfortunately, if he is facing disciplinary proceedings, he cannot "retire", which means he could drag out the proceedings for months and months, while remaining on full pay. So sacking him might not be the best way forward.
A quick disciplinary hearing, before he retires in December, that finds him guilty of gross neglect of duty, he'll then appeal, hear the appeal quickly and promptly demote him could be the best we could hope for. He'd still get his full pension (best of the last three full working years) but the humiliation would be crushing.
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Post by GB584 on Oct 10, 2018 21:12:08 GMT
I bet he will be allowed to slip away on an ill health pension...stress of what he witnessed no doubt.
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Post by Joe66 on Oct 10, 2018 21:57:16 GMT
I bet he will be allowed to slip away on an ill health pension...stress of what he witnessed no doubt. The usual Terry, those at the top are all made of teflon and get away Scot free. I would wager that he does not have a guilt concision about the action he took on the day.
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