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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 8, 2018 14:07:41 GMT
SkyvNews "An inquest into the deaths of five people in the Westminster terror attack last March, has heard that Acting Commissioner Sir Craig Mackey stayed in his car when PC Keith Palmer was killed, because he had no protective equipment".
Two points - PC Keith Palmer was NOT "killed"... He was MURDERED. You're killed when you trip and bang your head. Keith was deliberately stabbed to death, which is "Murder".
Second point - I spent 37 years as a Police Officer and the only "protective equipment" I ever had, apart from helmet, was a truncheon and lattetly a baton. Absence of "protective equipment" wouldn't have prevented me from getting stuck in if necessary. In fact, my last violent arrest was made with no equipment whatsoever, nothing (I was off-duty, on my way home). I suspect this Acting Commissioner's days are numbered as "a leader of men".
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Post by Barry B'stard on Oct 8, 2018 14:10:57 GMT
Well said Boggers. If I were a copper I would be right behind you, well about three hundred yards behind you to be precise.
Surely all central London Rozzers should be tooled up.
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 8, 2018 14:25:43 GMT
Well said Boggers. If I were a copper I would be right behind you, well about three hundred yards behind you to be precise. Surely all central London Rozzers should be tooled up. Ah, three hundred yards, eh? Like the Acting Commissioner...?? Curiously, most Police do NOT want to be routinely armed - at least they didn't twenty-odd years ago, according to a poll conducted by the Police Federation. My own personal experiences never left me feeling that I would have been better off armed. I don't know what the current feeling among the lads and lasses is. If you anticipate an armed situation, armed officers are (were?) immediately available. If a situation is "developing" then simply back off until armed officers arrive. In a one-on-one situation, like in PC Keith Palmer's case, it has always been "what if?". Guns don't always solve problems and can often create worse ones - look at what is happening with US Police.
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Post by Barry B'stard on Oct 8, 2018 14:54:57 GMT
I bow to your superior knowledge and I partly agree but I Think if I was guarding a high risk terrorist target like the house of commons I would want a Shoota. Maybe you couldnt withdraw a side arm fast enough in a surprise knife attack I dunno but better to have that chance I would think.
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 8, 2018 15:28:08 GMT
I bow to your superior knowledge and I partly agree but I Think if I was guarding a high risk terrorist target like the house of commons I would want a Shoota. Maybe you couldnt withdraw a side arm fast enough in a surprise knife attack I dunno but better to have that chance I would think. There are armed officers on duty there, Bazza, just obviously not at that place at that moment. In the light of recent events, that may all change. Plus, my opinions, such as they're worth, are 15 or 20 years out of date. A lot has happened since to change/harden attitudes.
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Post by prof20 on Oct 8, 2018 15:46:06 GMT
The article in the Groniad states that he actually witnessed the attack. He therefore had the opportunity to intervene. Any Police officer worth his salt would have run to the assistance of PC Keith Palmer. He probably had just as much protective equipment as PC Palmer. He would have sworn to 'protect life and property', as we all do. This is pure cowardice from a man unfit to wear the uniform. Resignation would be in order.
He should also be stripped of his award of 'Knight Bachelor.'
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Post by prof20 on Oct 8, 2018 15:54:37 GMT
I would not lower myself to call him 'Sir', neither in respect of his Police rank nor his so-called knighthood. 'Cur' maybe...
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 8, 2018 15:54:37 GMT
Yes, my thoughts exactly, Roger, when I saw it on TV.
As I said, I think his days are numbered. He must be held in utter contempt by "his" men and women.
Questions need to be asked about the whole question of "security" at the Palace of Westminster.
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 8, 2018 16:13:47 GMT
I've just heard from an old colleague that apparently, there's complete uproar on a Met Police Facebook site. I quite understand the anger.
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Post by cookie on Oct 8, 2018 16:22:42 GMT
Scuse me ..He was armed . He had a feckin great piece of metal called a car which he could have driven at the murdering scum. Oh no I forgot the amount of paperwork involved. ..I did for im wiv me motor guv would probably take a fair bit of ink
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Post by GB584 on Oct 8, 2018 16:50:06 GMT
I bow to your superior knowledge and I partly agree but I Think if I was guarding a high risk terrorist target like the house of commons I would want a Shoota. Maybe you couldnt withdraw a side arm fast enough in a surprise knife attack I dunno but better to have that chance I would think. Bazza having a firearm in normal circumstance can be a hindrance as you are always trying to protect your weapon and prevent it from being taken as there is no way you would be justified in doing the old Dirty Harry 'make my day' thing unless someone was armed. As Bogger's has said most officers are happy to have firearms officers with weapons close by and ready to act. It has been written, by former officers on a police forum I sometimes frequent, that the reason armed officers were taken off the gate is because MP's didn't like being stopped by officers with guns. They were then told to undertake a roving patrol around the area. With regards to the cowardly bastard who sat and watched a colleague get attacked and do feck all I have nothing but contempt for the lowlife. I was on duty when Fagan broke into the Palace, the officer who actually saw him climb over the wall phoned through on the 999's system. He was off duty sergeant in civies and going home from having just completed his shift. Poor sod got busted for not going over the wall after Fagan, neglect of duty they called it. How times have changed.
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Post by Joe66 on Oct 8, 2018 17:56:00 GMT
The way I read it he retires at the end of the year so he will not give a shit, got his gong and his large pension so fuck you lot.
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Post by Dead Monger on Oct 8, 2018 18:28:57 GMT
You have to bow to the superior knowledge of ex-coppers but also as a fecking human you would have to get out and try to do something ... Im afraid this says a lot about our modern police force ... Shameful
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Post by prof20 on Oct 8, 2018 21:18:40 GMT
Police Chief Tackles Terrorist By Cowering In Locked Car2018-10-08
The Metropolitan police’s acting chief attempted to prevent the terrorist murder of PC Keith Palmer in Westminster last March, by locking himself in his car it has emerged. Sir Craig Mackey, said it was his instinct to get out of the car when he saw Khalid Masood launch his attack, but successfully fought the instinct and locked himself in his car instead. Our reporter had difficulty hearing Sir Craig’s exact words, but has paraphrased them here. “I was all for getting stuck in…really I was” he told an inquest at The Old Bailey today, “but there were two other officers in the car who were shitting themselves big time, so I took the decision to sit tight until some other bugger had dealt with it and the danger had passed. Thank God for central locking is all I can say.” Sir Craig didn’t comment on why, as a trained police officer, he didn’t attempt to do something to distract, disuade or disarm the attacker, given that he was right on the spot inside a two ton suit of armour – mainly because nobody had the balls to ask him to do so.. The inquest continues.
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Oct 8, 2018 22:15:44 GMT
What a lot of these governors forget as they climb the greasy promotion pole, is that, first and foremost, they still hold the rank of 'Constable', with all the powers AND all of the RESPONSIBILITIES that go with it.
If there is any justice (ha!) he will be disciplined by the Home Secretary for neglect of duty.
A colleague has just told me that "There is complete uproar apparently on a Met Facebook site."
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