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Post by penquin on Dec 5, 2020 8:58:26 GMT
Assuming that things proceed as many hope, here's a simple question for you;
If you were offered the vaccine woukd you say yes, or no ?
It looks from the present schedule here in France that we MAY be offered it from March onwards, I would, without any doubt, say yes.
Obviously, we hope that there will be some freedoms after vaccination; freedom to use our MH, freedom to see our family in the UK, freedom to simply travel without so much worry.
We hope that a vaccine passport will be produced internationally, like our dog's rabies record in his passport, with Batch No., Date given, Person giving it and the official stamp of approval.
But, of course, time will tell whether such a record reduces or cancels the need for 2 weeks quarantine on entering the UK and the optional recommended isolation on returning to France.
But what would YOU do and how do YOU hope things will pan out ?
PS
If I had been in the UK, I would definitely have volunteered to help vaccinate people (as are currently being recruited and trained by St John Ambulance), but I would wonder whether I could find a really blunt needle for a select few people.... but that's a different tale...
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Post by Barry B'stard on Dec 5, 2020 9:17:31 GMT
Sooner the better for me. Bring it on as they say. In fact, ill have all of em!
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Post by Salomon on Dec 5, 2020 9:43:11 GMT
I would happily have the AZ vaccine as its proven technology and has UK approval. I have reservations about the Pfizer etc as they are new ie no other vaccines have been approved using these methods and I believe that the approval will be rushed through given the situation....
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Post by raynipper on Dec 5, 2020 9:53:55 GMT
Yes for me but we should get back from Portugal in March just in time.
Ray.
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Dec 5, 2020 10:04:34 GMT
I have most often shunned vaccines for a variety of reasons. I choose not to have the regular, annual 'flu vaccine because, up until now, I believe that my metabolism would enable me to get over it - eventually! But now, and with Covid-19, I'm changing my tune. I'm older, less robust and this 'flu is a killer. So, probably, yes, I will have it when it's offered, in about three month's time, I guess. "Commercial pressures" are a great worry in this round of creating a new vaccine, and of some concern are stories like these... pharmaphorum.com/news/concerns-emerge-after-azs-vaccine/
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Dec 5, 2020 10:14:12 GMT
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Post by Milly on Dec 5, 2020 10:39:24 GMT
I think they are being a little more cautious about it here.
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Post by Barry B'stard on Dec 5, 2020 13:50:06 GMT
I have most often shunned vaccines for a variety of reasons. I choose not to have the regular, annual 'flu vaccine because, up until now, I believe that my metabolism would enable me to get over it - eventually! But now, and with Covid-19, I'm changing my tune. I'm older, less robust and this 'flu is a killer. So, probably, yes, I will have it when it's offered, in about three month's time, I guess. "Commercial pressures" are a great worry in this round of creating a new vaccine, and of some concern are stories like these... pharmaphorum.com/news/concerns-emerge-after-azs-vaccine/ You should be getting it next week being 102. Its good of you to agree as the rest of us will wait with great anticipation to see what happens.
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Post by penquin on Dec 5, 2020 15:00:41 GMT
I would happily have the AZ vaccine as its proven technology and has UK approval. I have reservations about the Pfizer etc as they are new ie no other vaccines have been approved using these methods and I believe that the approval will be rushed through given the situation.... The U.K. alone so far, has approved the emergency use of the Pfizer vaccine, which is being made in Belgium. It uses RNA technology, as foes the Moderna one that is awaiting approval in all 3 areas; the U.K., the EU and the USA. Both of those have massive American involvement; Pfizer is an American Pharmaceutical company. The Oxfor University/AstraZeneca one uses totally new techniques - using a small piece of RNA which is spliced into the nucleic acid of a harmless virus. That virus then introduces that short piece of RNA into some cells, this causes those cells to produce copies of the CoVid spike and that in turn, stimulates the production of antibodies and T Lymphocyte cells (the immune response system cleaning team). This technique has NEVER been tried before. The published results of the Pfizer vaccine show a 92% success rate, the Moderna one 96%. The results of the Oxford Uni/AZ trials are misleading as mistakes were made and have been admitted. The OVERALL success rate they have quoted is 72%. But that vaccine is stable at "normal" temperatures - the Pfizer one must be kept at -79C, the Moderna one at -18C. Use of duch low temperatures and stability may limit the widespread use of both..... So, for me, the ideal would be the Moderna, second place Pfizer, 3rd place (currently) Oxford/AZ. But I very much doubt that I will get any choice....
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Post by Barry B'stard on Dec 5, 2020 15:11:46 GMT
Don't forget I had a hand in the Oxford vaccine when the machine used to design and print the labels broke earlier this week. Your choice. Just sayin
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Post by Salomon on Dec 5, 2020 16:14:41 GMT
I would happily have the AZ vaccine as its proven technology and has UK approval. I have reservations about the Pfizer etc as they are new ie no other vaccines have been approved using these methods and I believe that the approval will be rushed through given the situation.... The U.K. alone so far, has approved the emergency use of the Pfizer vaccine, which is being made in Belgium. It uses RNA technology, as foes the Moderna one that is awaiting approval in all 3 areas; the U.K., the EU and the USA. Both of those have massive American involvement; Pfizer is an American Pharmaceutical company. The Oxfor University/AstraZeneca one uses totally new techniques - using a small piece of RNA which is spliced into the nucleic acid of a harmless virus. That virus then introduces that short piece of RNA into some cells, this causes those cells to produce copies of the CoVid spike and that in turn, stimulates the production of antibodies and T Lymphocyte cells (the immune response system cleaning team). This technique has NEVER been tried before. The published results of the Pfizer vaccine show a 92% success rate, the Moderna one 96%. The results of the Oxford Uni/AZ trials are misleading as mistakes were made and have been admitted. The OVERALL success rate they have quoted is 72%. But that vaccine is stable at "normal" temperatures - the Pfizer one must be kept at -79C, the Moderna one at -18C. Use of duch low temperatures and stability may limit the widespread use of both..... So, for me, the ideal would be the Moderna, second place Pfizer, 3rd place (currently) Oxford/AZ. But I very much doubt that I will get any choice.... The Oxford/Astra vaccine uses conventional techniques that are already used in vaccines for Ebola, TB, Mers and others. It uses a Chimp virus to prompt an immune response. It does not use mRNA, unlike the other 2 developments. No vaccine using mRNA has ever been approved before, hence my post above..but I mixed it up. So now an mRNA vaccine has been approved in the UK, the Pfizer. But I would still trust the conventional technology first ie the Oxford vaccine.
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Post by penquin on Dec 5, 2020 16:53:46 GMT
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Post by Sir Rowley Birkin on Dec 5, 2020 17:45:33 GMT
I'm revising my earlier assessment...
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Post by Barry B'stard on Dec 5, 2020 20:32:36 GMT
I survived several Glastonbury Festivals, God knows how many rave parties, Hawkwind gigs and 40 years of sticking anything in me gob, down me throat or up me nose that looked like it might be "nice". I Fail to see how a bit of Monkey shit in me arm is going to make much difference now. Im still in!
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Post by GB584 on Dec 5, 2020 21:38:42 GMT
I dread to think what I have touched, stepped in, or been covered in over the years...probably just as well really. I will have any of the jabs offered got to better than the usual leaches the doctors use.
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